I'm not what percentage should not worry me, but I have a 94 eagle talon and as far as I know the car wasn't designed for ethanol. Perhaps 10% is not enough to raise any flags, but I find myself driving out of my way at times to a gas station that doesn't have a notice about 10% ethanol in the gasoline.

They can not sell gasoline with any mix of ethanol in it without letting the consumer know right on the pump, correct?

the stickers.

Ethanol does contain about one third less energy per gallon than gasoline. That means that when you replace 10% of the gasoline in your tank with ethanol, your fuel mileage will be reduced.

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10% ethanol is not harmful to your engine... plus it's in all gas. driving out of your way to avoid the stickers avoids one thing...

the stickers.

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Not true. Federal mandate isn't even up to 5% until next year if memory serves me right, and a lot of the east coast uses no ethanol yet, which they have no problem getting away with, since every gallon of E85 lets them pump 17 straight. Because it's not in the corn belt, it's not cost effective for them to transport a non-pipelineable fuel to mix into the regular gas.

The commonality of 10% as a blend actually comes from UL testing, both for the gas pumps, and a variety of gasoline engine parts. They have not yet signed off on an accepted E85 pump, which has severely slowed its expansion since that means a lot of insurance companies won't cover its equipment.

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small amounts is not going to hurt a motor. you need to play with it more befor you talk about it i think

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As usual, you're just proving that you're an idiot.

Many of the engines that have a hard time with ethanol are two cycle, and long storage. There's a massive increase in hygroscopy in that scenario, which leads to varnishing of gas and other problems.

Of course, we all know you're too busy playing with yourself to understand chemistry.

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small amounts is not going to hurt a motor. you need to play with it more befor you talk about it i think

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As usual, you're just proving that you're an idiot.

Many of the engines that have a hard time with ethanol are two cycle, and long storage. There's a massive increase in hygroscopy in that scenario, which leads to varnishing of gas and other problems.

Of course, we all know you're too busy playing with yourself to understand chemistry.

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yea thats right. lets talk about some one that reads shit and doesnt use it. or use it or race fuel. i think that you should get some experance in the fuel befor you say its going to destroy all my motors. but thats right you know what you are talking about. and by the way, ill let you know when the stangs motor gives out and my bike motor gives out.

so why not run it? it runs a little cooler and more power? just a higher bsfc.

http://www.beyondfossilfuel.com/ethanol/

so lets go and think about things befor you open your mouth. its like a mist of water. its not going to hurt your engine. thats why they have this thing called methanol injection. or boost coolers. ITS NOT GOING TO HURT THE ENGING WITH A SMALL AMOUNT!!!! lets go and read about the methanol injection kits. is it going to say this will make your engine blow up? its not going to hurt the motor. go play with the fuel not with your dick.

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have you ever heard or used the fuel treatment called heet?

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small amounts is not going to hurt a motor. you need to play with it more befor you talk about it i think

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As usual, you're just proving that you're an idiot.

Many of the engines that have a hard time with ethanol are two cycle, and long storage. There's a massive increase in hygroscopy in that scenario, which leads to varnishing of gas and other problems.

Of course, we all know you're too busy playing with yourself to understand chemistry.

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yea thats right. lets talk about some one that reads shit and doesnt use it. or use it or race fuel. i think that you should get some experance in the fuel befor you say its going to destroy all my motors. but thats right you know what you are talking about. and by the way, ill let you know when the stangs motor gives out and my bike motor gives out.

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As always, good to see that you took a break from being a douche to be a defensive douche. How a post about small 2 cycle motors has something to do with you defending your little stang and bike I'll never know.

Should we add the differences between 2 cycle and 4 cycle combustion to the long list of things you don't know much about, or have you played with a lot of 2 cycle engines too?

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I'm talking about an everyday driver here. I read somewhere that they may be pushing for a 20% mixture. I'm seeing it more on the east coast, but never saw it before. I think the first time I saw gas with any ethanol in it was 2 years ago in August driving through Virgina. The gas was about 20-30 cents cheaper than regular gas, but all the stations at this particular exit ramp had the mixture. I also read that it absorbs moisture unlike regular unleaded gasoline. Moisture in your fuel mixture can't be good either. I usually go across town once a week, so I may continue to avoid pumps stickered with 10% ethanol while I can.

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If the price is the same, I'd avoid it, if not, go for the E10. From experience I know that my camry will get between three-quarters and a full mile per gallon better fuel economy on straight gas than E10 on the highway. Doesn't sound like a big deal, but if someone offered you a free 3% increase in fuel economy, I can't see why anyone wouldn't take it. Since your car isn't recycling a big chunk of its exhaust gas, the extra water won't hurt it any.

And ignore dumbasses question about HEET. The day they start selling it in Florida is the day Al Gore poops an adult polar bear, then dances the hokey pokey.

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small amounts is not going to hurt a motor. you need to play with it more befor you talk about it i think

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As usual, you're just proving that you're an idiot.

Many of the engines that have a hard time with ethanol are two cycle, and long storage. There's a massive increase in hygroscopy in that scenario, which leads to varnishing of gas and other problems.

Of course, we all know you're too busy playing with yourself to understand chemistry.

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yea thats right. lets talk about some one that reads shit and doesnt use it. or use it or race fuel. i think that you should get some experance in the fuel befor you say its going to destroy all my motors. but thats right you know what you are talking about. and by the way, ill let you know when the stangs motor gives out and my bike motor gives out.

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As always, good to see that you took a break from being a douche to be a defensive douche. How a post about small 2 cycle motors has something to do with you defending your little stang and bike I'll never know.

Should we add the differences between 2 cycle and 4 cycle combustion to the long list of things you don't know much about, or have you played with a lot of 2 cycle engines too?

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1999 CR250. and just built a banshee motor for a friend. so yes i do know about 2 strokes. E 10 is E10 either it be in 2 or 4 stroke. you are more then welcome to say that i dont know what im talking about. but when you get hands on with E10 and E85. what have you built and or tuned? any thing with Ethanol? raced any thing with it? do you have ANY hands on with it? then you should start talking. tell then you should shut your trap. i think that all you do is read every thing and have no hands on with what you talk about.. i guess that you read how to jerk off also.

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I'm talking about an everyday driver here. I read somewhere that they may be pushing for a 20% mixture. I'm seeing it more on the east coast, but never saw it before. I think the first time I saw gas with any ethanol in it was 2 years ago in August driving through Virgina. The gas was about 20-30 cents cheaper than regular gas, but all the stations at this particular exit ramp had the mixture. I also read that it absorbs moisture unlike regular unleaded gasoline. Moisture in your fuel mixture can't be good either. I usually go across town once a week, so I may continue to avoid pumps stickered with 10% ethanol while I can.

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If the price is the same, I'd avoid it, if not, go for the E10. From experience I know that my camry will get between three-quarters and a full mile per gallon better fuel economy on straight gas than E10 on the highway. Doesn't sound like a big deal, but if someone offered you a free 3% increase in fuel economy, I can't see why anyone wouldn't take it. Since your car isn't recycling a big chunk of its exhaust gas, the extra water won't hurt it any.

And ignore dumbasses question about HEET. The day they start selling it in Florida is the day Al Gore poops an adult polar bear, then dances the hokey pokey.

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you should know what we are talking about befor you run your trap.

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If the price is the same, I'd avoid it, if not, go for the E10. From experience I know that my camry will get between three-quarters and a full mile per gallon better fuel economy on straight gas than E10 on the highway. Doesn't sound like a big deal, but if someone offered you a free 3% increase in fuel economy, I can't see why anyone wouldn't take it. Since your car isn't recycling a big chunk of its exhaust gas, the extra water won't hurt it any.

And ignore dumbasses question about HEET. The day they start selling it in Florida is the day Al Gore poops an adult polar bear, then dances the hokey pokey.

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you should know what we are talking about befor you run your trap.

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