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weber98

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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:04:52 AM
When I drafted my team I wanted a great closer, and was the first to pick one by getting JJ Putz. Admittedly I didn't know a ton about him but he was the best closer in 2007 and I expected the same this year.

Well this season has been a train wreck so far for Putz he got hurt and hasn't been himself since returning. I'm trying to swing a trade for a top closer but haven't heard back from the other teams yet.

Anyways, does anybody have any insight on the guy?

Should I be patient or cut him and move on?

Anybody else have any similar fantasy baseball issues?

feel free to post them here.


RobertMathis

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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:07:34 AM
post the standings in all your pitching cats and your current pitchers, I'll give you an analysis.

bigdaddylou

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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:09:43 AM
i have putz & isringhausen

tell me i'm not pretty much fucked for a closer right now


RobertMathis

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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:13:06 AM
you do the same, lou.

weber98

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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:17:55 AM
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post the standings in all your pitching cats and your current pitchers, I'll give you an analysis.

my standings out of 10 teams: W-10 CG-7 SHO-8.5 SV-6.5 ER-7 K-9 WP-3 ERA-8 WHIP-5.5

I actually have outstanding starting pitchers:

Webb
Cliff Lee
Dice-K
Greinke
Volquez
Scott Olsen (just picked up)

my relievers are:

Sherrill
Putz

Edited by - weber98 on 5/11/2008 9:21:49 AM


bigdaddylou

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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:26:17 AM
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you do the same, lou.


issy just asked to be demoted from the closer role

weber98

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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:30:52 AM
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you do the same, lou.


issy just asked to be demoted from the closer role

yeah he didn't pitch last night against my Brewers.

i wish he had... the Brewers would have had a better chance.


DerelictmyBucks

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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:38:41 AM
closers are probably the touchiest guys in the game..even with their skill, they have to have the opportunities to even get the save. they are the position i pay the least amount of attention to...in a ROTO league though like yourself, you have to pay attention to it because getting a 1 on it just kills you..who else are you relying on to grab up some saves?

Seattle sucks this year (14-24 thus far) and only has 6 saves between the pitching staff..Putz having 2 of those

at this point, i don't think you can trade him away simply because, who wants him right now..he holds zero stock..i would shop one of your starting pitchers since you have a shit ton of them and grab up a top notch RP

edit...i think you have to hold onto him a little while...he is still Seattle's man and i don't see him being this bad for all season, he HAS to get better...and when he is himself, he is one of the best

Edited by - DerelictmyBucks on 5/11/2008 9:40:56 AM


weber98

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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:44:24 AM
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closers are probably the touchiest guys in the game..even with their skill, they have to have the opportunities to even get the save. they are the position i pay the least amount of attention to...in a ROTO league though like yourself, you have to pay attention to it because getting a 1 on it just kills you..who else are you relying on to grab up some saves?

Seattle sucks this year (14-24 thus far) and only has 6 saves between the pitching staff..Putz having 2 of those

at this point, i don't think you can trade him away simply because, who wants him right now..he holds zero stock..i would shop one of your starting pitchers since you have a shit ton of them and grab up a top notch RP

edit...i think you have to hold onto him a little while...he is still Seattle's man and i don't see him being this bad for all season, he HAS to get better...and when he is himself, he is one of the best

Edited by - DerelictmyBucks on 5/11/2008 9:40:56 AM


I actually have two trade offers out there:

Dice-K for Papelbon

and

Dice-K for K-Rod

I haven't heard back from the teams yet, but I'd be willing to give up just about any of my pitchers with the exception of Webb.


DerelictmyBucks

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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:53:46 AM
yeah Webb MUST be a mainstay in your rotation..you can not give up a guy like him...i want to say do the whole SELL HIGH thing with Lee and Greinke..but Lee just isn't showing signs of slowing down and has excellent command this year (39:2) K:BB ratio...and Greinke has always been that guy that has the talent, but just need something to put him over the top..

tough place you are stuck in though..


weber98

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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:57:03 AM
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yeah Webb MUST be a mainstay in your rotation..you can not give up a guy like him...i want to say do the whole SELL HIGH thing with Lee and Greinke..but Lee just isn't showing signs of slowing down and has excellent command this year (39:2) K:BB ratio...and Greinke has always been that guy that has the talent, but just need something to put him over the top..

tough place you are stuck in though..


it's a good thing I have 141-130 lead over 2nd place.......

I just want to address the only current weakness.


DerelictmyBucks

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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:02:44 AM
no doubt, as it does need to be addressed since your #1 closer is doing poorly...but at the same time, don't over correct it and end up weakening a strong point of your team...many people make that mistake...but losing one of your SP for a great closer could only help you

Xployted

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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:05:07 AM
i have Issy and Sherrill (who i picked up a couple weeks because i saw he had some decent save numbers and he has been pretty good) other than that the only other closer i had was Reyes and he has been hurt

in my other league i have Saito and C.J. Wilson

in both my leagues i tried getting rid of some of my good positional players for another closer but no one wanted to give them up


DerelictmyBucks

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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:08:00 AM
i have Lidge,Street, and Gregg

they are ok, not overwhelming saves or anything but they keep me in the race for the category


SomeJaseGuy

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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:08:38 AM
my rmb team only has 1 closer, wood =/

weber98

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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:15:45 AM
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my rmb team only has 1 closer, wood =/


I had Wood and Gagne early on, but they were killing my ER, ERA, and WHIP.

Their occasional save wasn't worth keeping them on my roster.


TheBigBlind

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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:16:15 AM
They get hurt/lose their jobs all the time, stay active on the waiver and grab some like that, theres no sense trading away other good talent for a good closer. Izzy just lost his job, Gagne prolly will soon, The colorado guy did not long ago.

weber98

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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:21:16 AM
Granderson became available today but I already have some pretty good outfielders:

Holliday
Man Ram
Ellsbury
McLouth

I could fit him in as a Utility player, but then I'd have to decide between Victor Martinez and Ryan Doumit.

I have a couple of days to decide, but I also am 7th on waiver list.


weber98

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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:36:35 AM
I just saw on the Brewers pre-game show that Gagne has lost his closer job to "closer by committee".

They are paying him 10 million this year, so I would expect them to try and fix his issues.


RobertMathis

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Posted: 5/12/2008 6:08:32 PM
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quote:

post the standings in all your pitching cats and your current pitchers, I'll give you an analysis.

my standings out of 10 teams: W-10 CG-7 SHO-8.5 SV-6.5 ER-7 K-9 WP-3 ERA-8 WHIP-5.5

I actually have outstanding starting pitchers:

Webb
Cliff Lee
Dice-K
Greinke
Volquez
Scott Olsen (just picked up)

my relievers are:

Sherrill
Putz

Edited by - weber98 on 5/11/2008 9:21:49 AM


unless you can find FA pickups of guys who just picked up closer roles from guys that have sucked this year (gagne, izzy) or got hurt (borowski) then I wouldn't worry about trading for a closer. what you have is good enough to keep you middle of the [ack in saves and the rest of your staff is super solid, I wouldn't sacrifice any of your starters, save maybe olsen for anything but an elite closer.


RobertMathis

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Posted: 5/12/2008 6:09:44 PM
in my league I have nathan, cordero, jenks and lyon. I am trying to unload one now but noone is giving me the right deal. I have a huge lead in saves. ;)